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Coat of Arms - Order of the Couch

Much back-and-forth over at The Confusion Couch about a coat of arms, a motto, something that will represent our camaraderie and flights of fancy.

Bmonk has given us a crest to work with; his description: "Black shield with a white couch, and a jagged green border. Above the couch a gold star. Green = Pibgorn’s color for her world. Jagged border (“dancetty”) for the dance of the fairies, but also to indicate confusion. Black for the darkness of the confused surrounding the couch, and also for the faithfulness of the couch crew despite being in the dark. The gold star for the “favorites”, but also for the enlightenment that eventually comes to us."

I took the liberty of gussying it up a bit, with a cauldron for a helm, signifying all the good recipes we share, and Pib and Dru rampant, because I like to look at them. So there. No other reason. Motto: Omnes me confundit - "Everything confuses me".

Here's a place to gather together any and all suggestions. No sign-in is required to post a comment. No idea will be considered foolish, or too loony. Comments will be screened, however, and may take until the next morning to become visible if they are posted late in the evening.

Once we have something that everyone is either pleased with or can live with, I'm going to see what can be done about formalizing it.

Ready? Go!

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As mentioned at the Couch, the cauldron should be headwear, as you already know. BUT, if the cauldron's empty, it culd be turned upside down and used as a big hat. :)

Thanks for the place to gather heraldic ideas. I'll try to draw my thoughts and post here somehow??

Cheers,
Saskfan

I like it...I like it!
From O.B.
(AKA Vic.)

Story Teller, here. May I suggest instead the motto "Always confused." Semper Confundit...? Or perhaps "It's all so confusing." Don't have my latin book handy for that one. I'd kind of like to see at least one of my squirrels, but that's not a deal breaker. The green border could be scaled back a touch, otherwise what you have is grand! Did you try having the gals backing the shield instead of facing it?

Very pretty (especially the ...um... "ramparts")

But the Latin is wrong. The plural subject and singular verb do not agree. Correct is either:
Omnis me confundit (singular, Everything confuses me)
or
Omnes me confundunt (plural, All things confuse me)

(Though I suppose letting it stet could imply that Latin and/or grammar are among those things which confuse?)

Very nice.

When I saw the post, my first thought was to have only the left side of the Couch clear, the right side fading off into smoke in the shape of a question mark. Fading off, because all know that the Couch is infinitely extensible, embracing even skulkers like the insignificant speck that is my humble self; and into smoke like a question mark to denote the confusion into which some enter at the door, and in which some of us perpetually wander ...

Not to gild [no I did not say geld!] the lily, but those were my first thoughts, before seeing the Old Wolf's most artistic design above.

[Any relation to Akela?]

jsdy

What, no chequy frog?

Cauldrons need not be inverted to be worn as headgear. There is precedent.

http://www.sfmoma.org/images/artwork/large/2001.88.127_01_b02.jpg

jsdy

Pardon my intrusion. While not a formal couch member, I have taken some voyeuristic pleasure from the posted conversations. You might considered me the lurker in the back garden with his nose against the glass. If you would permit me a minor suggestion with regard to the shield; perhaps a division - party per bend sinister (of course) - with the upper tincture Vert (Pibby's colours) and the lower Gules (for Dru.)

@ccdesan, I like the supporters and motto for the crest, but I agree that we should have a helm of some kind, or possibly a coronet, with the cooking crock as a crest. After all, we should be a proper Order, even if we are confuseled or comfounded or whatever. And I do like Saskfan's description of the bordure with dancetty orle, though I might suggest a tressure (thinner version), for a blazon thus:

Sable a couch argent, in chief a mullet or, with a tressure dancetty argent bordured vert. (Did I get that right, Saskfan?)

And I don't get uptight about the sizes--my sketch was just that, a first, rough effort with poor tools. I think the border is too wide and the charges (couch/star) too small, but they were what I had to get the effect.

Bmonk, Instigator

I like colors/signification and simplicity. The choice of girls, GREAT. Excellent Motto. I know everything has a meaning including the direction. What if the girls had their backs to the shield? What would that indicate?

Since the couch is Escherian, how about a Mobius strip with pillows instead of the central sofa? (I have no idea how to say that in heraldic language) - Jcordaro64

This is what I posted before I saw the link.
I like Pib and Dru on the sides looks very elegant!
Since there has been diverse commentary the heraldic device… cookpot, fedora… seems to me since this is about the couch and all we do not what happens in the comic. that a chefs hat would be more appropo for us considering the about of interest we have in combustibles. But I really wish the couch could be drawn M.C. Escher style! Not that I could do it, just the idea of it makes me smile.
I know nothing about this sort of thing, but in the school of art 'I know what I like' I don't like that there is a big blank space under the couch... maybe if it was a MCEscher couch it would be diminished, but barring that maybe we need a couple of squirrels or lurkers there.......LOL
ToniAnne - who is not in the mood to create an account...need a good new name.

I like where the girls are sort of facing each other. A duet on stage would have them closer together, facing out to the audience, as they are here. The cauldron may work as a hat but, goshdarnit, hungry couchers demand a "full" pot. Far off fading couch w/? mark. Sounds intriguing. As far as the couch itself goes I feel that it needs perhaps; lines of a different color or a pattern; a contrast of sorts as I wouldn't readily recognize it as a couch if I didn't already know that it is. By comparison; the girls are very recognizable as women and the pot appears to hold its own, also. "Everything confuses me", "I'm always confused" or something close works for me. Dad'll perk up when he sees it. (Did some time at Columbia U. in the early 50s, Catholic grade school also) When I write to where *smart* people will see it, I feel as though I'm going to be graded for spelling and punctuation. Got heavy welding gloves on in case the ruler comes out...
This shouldn't be too normal. After all.. the strip isn't *AND* it should maintain a humor.

Gweedo

On the changing headgear samples. The fedora has the best comic appeal.

Gweedo

I love the general idea but, being a heraldry geek, I have to point out one really big boo-boo (at least if it wants to be "proper" heraldry.
There is an ancient rule of contrasts: no light on light or dark on dark. In heraldry "sable, a bordure vert" would never be allowed as they are both "dark". the only two "light" tinctures are argent and or, white and gold.
So make the bordure yellow (or white) and all is groovy. And the comment earlier about the bordure being narrower was a good one.
I really likes the idea of the fedora as a "crown".

It looks very nice, and I know I haven't said anything about it before, but why are Pib and Dru holding microphones? Also, I feel that Dru should be in her natural state, as Pib is. I understand that could spark up the debate of "Do we use the Red Dru or the Black Dru?" I wonder if Dru will stay black for very much longer? I suppose we could ask Brooke, but it might be part of the current storyline, and he may not want to divulge that info.
Anyway, if it isn't too much trouble (mucho props for the artistry, by the way), I think it would be more fitting for Pib and Dru to be embracing the shield, and not singing a duet around it.
AliKzam

What is not to like?

Story Teller again. I rather like the helm that looks like it has threes charlies on it, but that's just me. Naw, loose the hat/helm as they are too well connected with specific story arcs, the cookpot is sufficient, though perhaps put that below the couch in the room made by the scaled back border. If we must have hat/helm, perhaps the fedora is the more universal symbol from the most story arcs, but I like the Black Knights helm just because it is more canon. I also like the dual color scheme on the border and, yes, once you pointed it out, the position of the legs is absolutely perfect! Perhaps a squirrel peaking out from the left side of the couch and the right side disappearing into infinity...? Yeah, that might be difficult to do.

The motto: the only problem is that while we are almost all always confused about something, we are not confused by *everything.* That is why I thought something more generic and to the point like "I am so confused!" would be better

First, let me say I love where we are going, and I can live with any of these modifications.

1) Girls - definitely facing in (preferably without mikes, hugging the shield)
2) Helm - I prefer just the cauldron - adding a real helm is too much
3) The two-color border is slightly preferred - looks good both ways
4) Motto - Latin for "I'm so confused" would be best, if we can find it - Omnis Me Confundit will do if we can't.

Lincolnhyde

The green/red border seems to give the best effect, enhancing the contrast with Pib and Dru's dresses. For headgear, definitely go with the Fedora: a highly versatile accesory: it can denote comedy,tragedy, menace, high drama, low cunning, signify greeting or farewell, tossed in joy, held to the breast in sorrow, tipped in salute, jauntily canted, or tipped back in exasperated CONFUSION!

Let the cauldron wear the fedora.
Contrasting colors opposite the ladies works best
Is there room for crossed pibgorn instruments

Once the coat of arms is finished, consider a flag or pennant.

About the artistic reply to the OTHER Heraldry geek, I say: if the bendy division is sinister, then the red/green (Red Green? Ewww!) division goes the other way - from the SHIELD's upper left to lower right. Sinister is the viewer's right side.

I know you're breaking the rules with two tinctures touching; and you're aware of the rule you're breaking. Hey, if Jerusalem can break the rule (AND the CA Kingdom of An Tir), then we can too. Though I personally would prefer a pibgorn than a star in chief. But that's just me. :)

Saskfan

Based on what seems to me to be majority opinions above, here is the next version to play with.

1) Lost the microphones, and gave you two options on the girls.
2) Chose the fedora - it seemed the most popular
3) Narrowed the border
4) Increased the size of the devices, and proposed a confused couch
5) Motto is a placeholder, until we decide what it should say.

Everything is subject to change.

I like these girls better - but there wasn't enough of them to create full supporters with. Remember, the ones I'm using now are still more or less placeholders for something custom-designed. I favor the ladies facing the crest, but I'd like to see them "embracing" it, as it were...

Edited 2009-05-01 02:43 (UTC)

The hat and crock pot are lookin' good. The girls; inhh.. The couch looks like some kind of wedding cake. The "real" couch might look more lived in. Not broken springs sticking out, mind you.
Do **formatting** tricks work *here* ?

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