Coat of Arms - Order of the Couch
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Much back-and-forth over at The Confusion Couch about a coat of arms, a motto, something that will represent our camaraderie and flights of fancy.
Bmonk has given us a crest to work with; his description: "Black shield with a white couch, and a jagged green border. Above the couch a gold star. Green = Pibgorn’s color for her world. Jagged border (“dancetty”) for the dance of the fairies, but also to indicate confusion. Black for the darkness of the confused surrounding the couch, and also for the faithfulness of the couch crew despite being in the dark. The gold star for the “favorites”, but also for the enlightenment that eventually comes to us."
I took the liberty of gussying it up a bit, with a cauldron for a helm, signifying all the good recipes we share, and Pib and Dru rampant, because I like to look at them. So there. No other reason. Motto: Omnes me confundit - "Everything confuses me".
Here's a place to gather together any and all suggestions. No sign-in is required to post a comment. No idea will be considered foolish, or too loony. Comments will be screened, however, and may take until the next morning to become visible if they are posted late in the evening.
Once we have something that everyone is either pleased with or can live with, I'm going to see what can be done about formalizing it.
Ready? Go!
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Date: 2009-04-30 05:40 am (UTC)Thanks for the place to gather heraldic ideas. I'll try to draw my thoughts and post here somehow??
Cheers,
Saskfan
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Date: 2009-04-30 05:42 am (UTC)The Hearaldry
From: (Anonymous) - Date: 2009-04-30 11:45 am (UTC) - ExpandRe: The Hearaldry
From:The Coat Of Arms
Date: 2009-04-30 05:54 am (UTC)From O.B.
(AKA Vic.)
Coat of Arms
Date: 2009-04-30 08:42 am (UTC)Re: Coat of Arms
Date: 2009-04-30 04:17 pm (UTC)Re: Coat of Arms
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Date: 2009-04-30 12:31 pm (UTC)But the Latin is wrong. The plural subject and singular verb do not agree. Correct is either:
Omnis me confundit (singular, Everything confuses me)
or
Omnes me confundunt (plural, All things confuse me)
(Though I suppose letting it stet could imply that Latin and/or grammar are among those things which confuse?)
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Date: 2009-04-30 04:19 pm (UTC)Gilding perfection
Date: 2009-04-30 01:21 pm (UTC)When I saw the post, my first thought was to have only the left side of the Couch clear, the right side fading off into smoke in the shape of a question mark. Fading off, because all know that the Couch is infinitely extensible, embracing even skulkers like the insignificant speck that is my humble self; and into smoke like a question mark to denote the confusion into which some enter at the door, and in which some of us perpetually wander ...
Not to gild [no I did not say geld!] the lily, but those were my first thoughts, before seeing the Old Wolf's most artistic design above.
[Any relation to Akela?]
jsdy
Re: Gilding perfection
Date: 2009-04-30 04:20 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-04-30 01:28 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-04-30 04:22 pm (UTC)Cauldron as helm
Date: 2009-04-30 01:28 pm (UTC)http://www.sfmoma.org/images/artwork/large/2001.88.127_01_b02.jpg
jsdy
Re: Cauldron as helm
Date: 2009-04-30 04:23 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-04-30 02:54 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-04-30 04:37 pm (UTC)OTC Heraldry
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From:further thoughts and observations
Date: 2009-04-30 03:07 pm (UTC)Sable a couch argent, in chief a mullet or, with a tressure dancetty argent bordured vert. (Did I get that right, Saskfan?)
And I don't get uptight about the sizes--my sketch was just that, a first, rough effort with poor tools. I think the border is too wide and the charges (couch/star) too small, but they were what I had to get the effect.
Bmonk, Instigator
Re: further thoughts and observations
Date: 2009-04-30 06:04 pm (UTC)Nah. Traditional, but not relevant. Waitaminnit! We've got several options that might work:
OTC Heraldry
Date: 2009-04-30 03:26 pm (UTC)Re: OTC Heraldry
Date: 2009-04-30 04:42 pm (UTC)Re: OTC Heraldry
From:Hmm..
Date: 2009-04-30 03:28 pm (UTC)Re: Hmm..
Date: 2009-04-30 04:45 pm (UTC)Cookpot or Fedora or?
Date: 2009-04-30 04:55 pm (UTC)I like Pib and Dru on the sides looks very elegant!
Since there has been diverse commentary the heraldic device… cookpot, fedora… seems to me since this is about the couch and all we do not what happens in the comic. that a chefs hat would be more appropo for us considering the about of interest we have in combustibles. But I really wish the couch could be drawn M.C. Escher style! Not that I could do it, just the idea of it makes me smile.
I know nothing about this sort of thing, but in the school of art 'I know what I like' I don't like that there is a big blank space under the couch... maybe if it was a MCEscher couch it would be diminished, but barring that maybe we need a couple of squirrels or lurkers there.......LOL
ToniAnne - who is not in the mood to create an account...need a good new name.
Re: Cookpot or Fedora or?
Date: 2009-04-30 06:07 pm (UTC)Other thoughts?
Couch Crest
Date: 2009-04-30 06:11 pm (UTC)This shouldn't be too normal. After all.. the strip isn't *AND* it should maintain a humor.
Gweedo
Re: Couch Crest
Date: 2009-04-30 06:28 pm (UTC)Couch Crest
Date: 2009-04-30 06:51 pm (UTC)Gweedo
Herldic Phuddy-duddy
Date: 2009-04-30 06:56 pm (UTC)There is an ancient rule of contrasts: no light on light or dark on dark. In heraldry "sable, a bordure vert" would never be allowed as they are both "dark". the only two "light" tinctures are argent and or, white and gold.
So make the bordure yellow (or white) and all is groovy. And the comment earlier about the bordure being narrower was a good one.
I really likes the idea of the fedora as a "crown".
Re: Herldic Phuddy-duddy
Date: 2009-04-30 07:26 pm (UTC)Feeback?
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Date: 2009-04-30 07:41 pm (UTC)Anyway, if it isn't too much trouble (mucho props for the artistry, by the way), I think it would be more fitting for Pib and Dru to be embracing the shield, and not singing a duet around it.
AliKzam
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Date: 2009-04-30 08:24 pm (UTC)What I'd like to see happen is for us as the members of the Order of the Couch to come up with a general design that we feel good about, and then have one or more final versions created and submitted to the community.
Coat of Arms
Date: 2009-04-30 08:35 pm (UTC)Re: Coat of Arms
Date: 2009-04-30 08:47 pm (UTC)Coats That Don't Tie In The Back
Date: 2009-04-30 08:38 pm (UTC)The motto: the only problem is that while we are almost all always confused about something, we are not confused by *everything.* That is why I thought something more generic and to the point like "I am so confused!" would be better
Re: Coats That Don't Tie In The Back
Date: 2009-04-30 09:01 pm (UTC)Re: Coats That Don't Tie In The Back
From: (Anonymous) - Date: 2009-05-01 11:28 am (UTC) - ExpandCouch Crest
Date: 2009-04-30 09:48 pm (UTC)1) Girls - definitely facing in (preferably without mikes, hugging the shield)
2) Helm - I prefer just the cauldron - adding a real helm is too much
3) The two-color border is slightly preferred - looks good both ways
4) Motto - Latin for "I'm so confused" would be best, if we can find it - Omnis Me Confundit will do if we can't.
Lincolnhyde
Re: Couch Crest
Date: 2009-05-01 01:33 am (UTC)Dual Border
Date: 2009-04-30 11:41 pm (UTC)Re: Dual Border
Date: 2009-05-01 01:34 am (UTC)Suggestion from mfcoace
Date: 2009-05-01 12:24 am (UTC)Contrasting colors opposite the ladies works best
Is there room for crossed pibgorn instruments
Once the coat of arms is finished, consider a flag or pennant.
Re: Suggestion from mfcoace
Date: 2009-05-01 01:34 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-05-01 01:35 am (UTC)I know you're breaking the rules with two tinctures touching; and you're aware of the rule you're breaking. Hey, if Jerusalem can break the rule (AND the CA Kingdom of An Tir), then we can too. Though I personally would prefer a pibgorn than a star in chief. But that's just me. :)
Saskfan
Order of the Couch, Version 2.0
Date: 2009-05-01 02:28 am (UTC)1) Lost the microphones, and gave you two options on the girls.
2) Chose the fedora - it seemed the most popular
3) Narrowed the border
4) Increased the size of the devices, and proposed a confused couch
5) Motto is a placeholder, until we decide what it should say.
Everything is subject to change.
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Date: 2009-05-01 02:41 am (UTC)Couch Crest
Date: 2009-05-01 02:47 am (UTC)Do **formatting** tricks work *here* ?
Re: Couch Crest
Date: 2009-05-01 05:54 am (UTC)